32 Responses to “Reporters”

  1. Gerald McMahan says:

    Sorry for the late start. I’ll have the time line we will read aloud in class posted by 8 tonight. Then I will also read my political parts and highlight the main points/facts that I feel like they could mention in their speeches. So hopefully that’s all I’ll need for tomorrow and a printed copy of the time line that I will bring.

  2. Gerald McMahan says:

    Colonial Timeline

    This is a brief timeline of a few major events leading up to the political debate in the British colonies.

    • 1767 Parliament passes the Townshed Acts, designed to collect taxes in the ports on imported products from Britain which then uses the money to pay officials of the Empire stationed in the colonies.

    • 1770 Parliament repeals all of the Townshed Acts taxes except on tea (kept as a symbolic measure due to effectiveness of non-importation.)

    • 1773 Parliament passes the Tea Act, designed to reduce the tea tax while giving the British East India Company agents a monopoly on tea sold in the colonies. Importing is of tea was stopped by colonial governments or mobs in all colonies, except Boston, which leads up to the Boston Tea Party where 342 chests of tea are destroyed.

    • 1774 Parliament passes the Coercive Acts or Intolerable Acts, in response to the Boston Tea Party. The Boston Port Act effectively closes the seaborn trade of Boston until the destroyed tea is paid for. The Quartering Act requires Massachusetts to pay for the British Army stationed there.

  3. Gerald McMahan says:

    I’m I blind or has no one posted any of there speeches yet?

  4. Nechama Splaver says:

    No, they haven’t. So I guess we’re going to have to work from our notes. I have classes all day but I will put mine up by tonight.

  5. Andrew Brandt says:

    They may think they have to post their speeches in their individual pages, like Patroits and Loyalist and not in the general page. The onbly problem to that is we can’t access them because they are password protected.

  6. Alicia Bradley says:

    Here is the Preamble. I’ll get some of my notes up tonight, too. I work until about 8, so I’ll have them up as soon as possible. I’m also looking up some stuff about the Battle of Saratoga :)

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

  7. Alicia Bradley says:

    The Battles of Saratoga
    September 19 and October 7, 1777
    The battles were fought nineteen days apart on the same ground, nine miles south of Saratoga, New York.

    First Battle: began when British General John Burgoyne moved some of his troops in an attempt to flank the entrenched American position on Bemis Heights. Benedict Arnold, anticipating the maneuver, placed significant forces in his way. While Burgoyne succeeded in gaining control of Freeman’s Farm, it came at the cost of significant casualties. Skirmishing continued in the days following the battle, while Burgoyne waited in the hope that reinforcements would arrive from New York City. Militia forces continued to arrive, swelling the size of the American army. Disputes within the American camp led Gates to strip Arnold of his command.

    Concurrent with the first battle, American troops also attacked British positions in the area of Fort Ticonderoga, and bombarded the fort for a few days before withdrawing. British General Sir Henry Clinton, in an attempt to divert American attention from Burgoyne, captured American forts in the Hudson River highlands on October 6, but his efforts were too late to help Burgoyne.

    Second Battle: Burgoyne attacked Bemis Heights again on October 7 after it became apparent he would not receive relieving aid in time. In heavy fighting, marked by Arnold’s spirited rallying of the American troops (in open defiance of orders to stay off the battlefield), Burgoyne’s forces were thrown back to the positions they held before the September 19 battle, and the Americans captured a portion of the entrenched British defenses. Burgoyne was therefore compelled to retreat, and his army was surrounded by the much larger American force at Saratoga, forcing him to surrender on October 17.

    News of Burgoyne’s surrender was instrumental in formally bringing France into the war as an American ally. French formal participation changed the war to a global conflict.

  8. Christina West says:

    I posted the Proclamation by Lord Dunmore on the page visible to everyone, it should be word for word.

  9. Andrew Brandt says:

    why does the replys look like this rlniixst says…..sCanx ygtljdzlnru(url=http://feutehbufext.com/]

    i click on them and the next page says the link is broken?

  10. Gerald McMahan says:

    Well I have read all my political papers and have looked at my notes of what I took down, and find that it will be hard to make a fact sheet of each side since we don’t have their actual speeches to reference off of. Anyone have any suggestions since it’s 8:10 and still have not posted their speeches?

    • robshelton says:

      Do the best you can. Be sure to mention that the Loyalists did not provide their speeches in your presentation.

  11. Joanna Rivera says:

    Hey sorry for posting really late but I just got home from work, but from what I can see the groups have not posted their speeches up but I am not sure what else needs to be done for our group for tomorrow. I can read Lord Dunmore’s Proclamation if no one is reading it, I was not sure if someone already volunteered. If there is anything else that can be done just let me know.

  12. Nechama Splaver says:

    I had the Loyalist side of politics, but here’s my summary of what was said on both sides. I’ve noted which facts were wrong. Since neither side put up their speeches, I might be missing stuff or have heard something wrong.

    Patriots – Politics:
    - Britain is not democratic, created slavery to begin with, and has no room for growth or ability to better ones station in life. The Patriots are democratic, and democracy allows for change and growth, so it is a stepping stone to freedom. Even though there are no guarantees, any improvement is good.
    - Patriots are fighting for freedom for themselves, so maybe they will realize their inconsistencies and give us freedom. Once we have democracy, we can use that fact to our advantage.
    - 1765 – James Otis called Black people equal.
    - Thomas Paine said Blacks were not born slaves, they have natural rights just like everyone else (which were put in place by God). Slaves should be set free, and their masters should be punished. Once set free, they should be given land and a job to make money.
    - 1758 – Quakers condemned importation and buying/selling of slaves among their leaders.
    - Somerset vs. Stewart doesn’t mean that slavery is no longer an institution in England, so there is no point in running away to England.
    - They seemed to be confused about the date (that it was October of 1775).

    Loyalists – Politics:
    - The Patriots are just causing more problems for everyone, so why should we join them.
    - The Patriots talk about natural rights, but we are not included in them.
    - Washington is offering blacks the opportunity to fight for against the British and gain freedom, but he owns slaves. – This statement is false. As of October 1775, Washington has outlawed slaves and free blacks from joining the army.
    - The Americans outlawed the use of British goods, so therefore they are already proving to be an unfair government.
    - When questioned about what they mean by “natural rights” they explained that it originated from Aristotle’s idea that all rational creatures have certain inherent rights. Some Patriots have said that this is the case, but if that’s true, why are we treated the way we are? If they win and gain power, how do we know things will change for us? And if they loose and we side with them, the punishment will be death. – This is an unfair statement. The punishment for the masses would not be death.
    - After the Patriots were questioned about how it is possible to be certain that if the Patriots win, they will not simply re-enslave us, the Loyalists made the comment that there is no more slavery in England because of the Somerset vs. Stewart case, and therefore we should not take the chance. – This is not the case. There is still slavery in England.
    - There is a form of democratic government for each of the colonies and therefore, if the Patriots had any plan of freeing us, they would have at least started to free us already. – Unfair statement. There were a few forward thinking people in the colonies who freed their slaves.

  13. Christina West says:

    Can we let them know that since Thomas paine wrote his first work Common sense in January of 1776 that they cannot be quoting it or using it as a reference for their argument until it is 1776?

  14. Gerald McMahan says:

    My summary doesn’t look half as good as Nechama’s since my notes weren’t as thorough since I thought they would be posting their speeches. I read all the documents about the Patriots side and may be able to add some material at the start of class tomorrow.

    • Joanna Rivera says:

      Same! I thought there would be more time so i can read over the speeches and fill in my blanks in notes.

  15. robshelton says:

    Hidden posts—There are no hidden or lost posts that I can see. The page says there are 18 posts, which there are if you include the replies to other people’s comments. These replies are not numbered. I think that accounts for the disparity.

  16. Andrew Brandt says:

    The Patroits have posted their speech on Economics, but the loyalist have not yet so my fact checking for the Loyalist economic speech may not be that good. I will try to go from my terrible notes.

  17. Andrew Brandt says:

    Fact Checking for Loyalist Economics

    The Loyalist said the economy in the colonies will not survive without Great Britain and we must side with Great Britain to survive.

    I believe that is the Loyalist interpretation. The economy may suffer without Great Britain, but it could also become successful without Great Britain, we just don’t know either way.

    The Loyalist also stated that the colonies would have no trade system without Great Britain and we don’t trade with other countries.

    The truth is we could have a trade system without Great Britain, but the Navigation Acts restricts the colonies to only trade with British Empire merchants. The Navigation Acts excluded trading with Portuguese, French, Dutch, and Spanish merchants. Without Great Britain, we could start trading freely with other countries. We also know people do smuggle goods into the colonies without Great Britain permission.

    The Loyalist said that without protection: colonies can’t receive goods. Did they mean without British protection, we can’t receive British goods. If so then why would we need British protection to receive British goods? IDK

    The Loyalist were truthful when they said the British have more ships that the colonies, but the colonies had more soldiers that the British( may not want to include this because there is no war yet)

    The Loyalist believe that there is no ambassador( high ranked diplomat) to represent this new country. The fact is there were several leaders including Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams and James Madison,etc.

    This is all I have so far without being able to look at the actual speech………maybe someone has better notes and can do better that this( I hope). May need to reword this so it does not look like we are picking too much on the Loyalist.

    • Andrew Brandt says:

      Now I looked over the Loyalist speech and it stated
      1.”The colonies will not survive without Great Britain, the economy will suffer.”
      The economy may suffer without Great Britain, but there is no evidence that the colonies will not survive, they may change,but we will survive.
      2. “The colonies do not trade without the protection of Great Britain.”
      The problem here is the colonies can’t trade with anyone but Great Britain because of the Navigation Act.
      3.”The British will not suffer a major lost from not trading with the colonies.”
      The truth is the British would be hurt by not trading with the colonies. The British Empire’s economic model was mercantilism, which attempted to produce raw materials in the colonies and maximize the wealth of the mother country.
      4. The British could trade with other countries, we can’t trade with other countries. This is not true, if we weren’t resticted to only trade with the British by the Navigation Acts, what would stop us from trading with other countries as well.
      5. Great Britain has the strongest navy in the world, and well trained soldiers to operate the ships, better than the colonies soldiers. Yes the British have a strong navy, but the colonies as a whole have more soldiers( the teacher said this after class) to fight with.

      This is most of my fact checking.

  18. Gerald McMahan says:

    I’ll help fact check on the Loyalists side to compare it with my notes. If any others want to do the Patriot side?

    • Andrew Brandt says:

      Ok, that will be a big help. Do u know if Christina or someone else is willing to present this data to the class on Friday.

      • Christina West says:

        I have no problem presenting if you all want just let me know Sorry its so late I have been studying for another exam all day…

  19. Joanna Rivera says:

    hey im trying to finish the patriots side now for economics so it”ll probably be up by 8 or 8:30 around there when i get out of work but I’ll make sure I’ll print copies for tomorrow in class.

  20. Joanna Rivera says:

    I’m still checking to make sure that the facts are right and I am hardly finding any mistakes. If anyone else has any notes from the patriots economic speech to compare mine with that will be cool. if anyone need anything for tomorrow just let me know. =)

  21. Gerald McMahan says:

    Well I have checked the Loyalists speech compared to my notes and I have found that everything they have said is true, even though I do believe they may have exaggerated “I come before you to explain how the colonies will not survive if we do not side with Great Britain.” I believe this was taken out of context because in the article it didn’t say that “colonies will not survive” it said it is a “possibly the colonies will not survive.” other than that everything checks out good. If you could print your sheet Andrew since you did this side and helped just to double check that would be great. Anything else let me know.

  22. Gerald McMahan says:

    Everything the Loyalists cited for their speech came mostly from the 2nd and 3rd pages of the Samuel article.

  23. Joanna Rivera says:

    Patriots- Economics
    Patriots stated that
    • In 1651 the British passes a law making that all products being exported and imported only be shipped by English vessels.
    • That the colonists are paying to maintain the British trade route and to keep up the administration and defense. ( talks about a 5% tax rate after the 7 year war but I am not sure where he had found that information)
    • The currency problem- stating that paper money was supplemented with coins but with a high interest rate (Currency Act of 1764).
    • Talks about the Tea Act of 1773 imposed by the British by giving the East Indian Company a monopoly on selling tea to the colonies.
    • Talks about the Stamp Act of 1765 being a way for the British to get colonists to pay off debts.
    • Colonists state that British is making it hard to acquire land by increasing land values and in 1763 – land west of the Appalachian was placed under direct control of the British authorities and colonial government was not longer allowed to give grants.(Proclamation Line) ( Which was the end of the war & Treaty of Paris) (Talks about land grants being giving to British officials and merchants but not sure where that information was found)
    • States that everyone will get equal opportunity and freely making their own decisions on whether to buy products if they join the patriots. ( At this time patriots are still not giving equal opportunity to blacks even though they have made the Declaration of Independence against Britian. Some are free but are still not being giving equal rights.)
    • States that if they join the patriots they will get equal opportunity to purchase land and access the market without government restrictions. (Seems as if they have forgotten that most blacks are slaves and will not be able to get these opportunities since they are not free like white)

    -Pretty much all of their facts were accurate with the sources given but it seems as if they have forgotten to add in facts about helping African Americans so they can side with the Patriots.

    **If anyone else has anything to add or compare that will help to.

  24. Gerald McMahan says:

    Since I wasn’t in class on Friday can someone please speed me update to date on what I missed, and what I possibly have to bring in for Weds class period. Thanks!

  25. Alicia Bradley says:

    still no patriots social speech!!

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